DigitalOcean vs LiquidWeb

jordanjay29

Prosperous Just a reminder not to share that affiliate link here, or unsolicited via any other Flarum-related network (e.g. Gitter). If he asks, of course, but otherwise a plain link.

clarkwinkelmann

I'm using DigitalOcean with Laravel Forge. It makes setting up new websites very easy (not only Laravel ones).

Of course there are still a lot of things I setup/manage manually, like backups and reboots.

Having Cloudflare up front also give me more confidence in the security of the server ?

I wouldn't recommend that for non-devs or non-linux-server people.

Kulga

CharlesMontgomery I am most likely about to switch to Liquid Web after running on Digital Ocean for a year plus with 80 websites or so. I just recently found out I can't add an IP to an existing droplet, for instance for a website that I want to have its own IP - I literally have to spin up a SECOND DROPLET just to accomplish that feat. No bueno.

Just focusing on that, it looks like deliberate planning due to ipv4 exhaustion.

From digital ocean forum post

Hi xxxxxx, Thanks for writing in! Unfortunately this is has absolutely nothing to do with us trying to sell more droplets and everything to do with limited IPv4 IP space.
APNIC is completely out of IPv4 space, RIPE ran out earlier this year, and ARIN will be out within the next 6-12 months. Latin America will be out of IP space in about 12 months.
Internet standards have been modified over time to avoid the necessity of having a single IP per service and that led to allowing multiple virtualhosts on a single IP and now almost every modern browser even supports multiple SSL certs on a single IP.
With any commodity where there is a limited supply when the supply runs out this creates a market for that commodity. While we do pay fees to the governing bodies for any IPs that we are allocated these fees pale in comparison to the amount that we must spend to purchase IPs from other providers.
In our Amsterdam region our last two allocations have been purchased and each allocation has cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars. And unfortunately this price will only increase over time as the resource becomes more scarce.
There is effectively only one solution to this global dilemma and it is the global adoption of IPv6 however that requires everything along the network path to be upgraded and capable of fully supporting IPv6. This is a huge change and while IPv6 has been around for quite some time global adoption is in the sub 5% region. The good news is that once ARIN runs and out Latin America runs out I think the timeline for everyone updating their equipment and so forth will be expedited so we should see an exponential adoption curve of IPv6 at that point.
Welcome any replies or comments that you may have. Thanks!

Any through my own provider (Ramnode)

Extra IP addresses can be requested via support ticket in the Client Area. They are $2.50/mo. Please let us know the number of IPs you want and on what billing cycle you would like to pay for them. We also require that you submit valid justification with your request since IPv4 has run out across ARIN and RIPE. There must be a technical reason why you require more than one IP on your VPS. SSL is no longer valid justification given the widespread adoption of SNI. SEO is not valid justification.

webeindustry

IPV4 was estimated to run out a few years ago and we've managed to make it this far, but it's time to switch over to IPV6. People are still making best use of the addresses we have, but the hard limit is 4.6B that simply can't change. There's now more people on the internet than IPV4 adreesses can be announced on physical networks.

tankerkiller125

webeindustry Another thing I love about IPV6 is that there are so many that ISPs are literally handing blocks of them out for free. The company I work for just got a /48 block of IPV6 addresses from our provider as part of there IPV6 rollout. Thats 1,208,925,819,614,629,174,706,176! We don't even know what to do with that many addresses at this point. We could put like 1 Million ethernet ports on every PC in the entire company and still not run out of addresses.

jordanjay29

tankerkiller125 I really wish companies wouldn't be so frivolous with those port blocks. It may seem like we have an abundance now, but those have to last until the next architecture change, which could be many decades in the future. Squandering them now means we're going to run into the same problem down the line.

shakes head slowly Humans...

webeindustry

tankerkiller125

Nobody has a clue what to do with all that space right now. I used to get kimsufi with a /64 and put a custom kernel on it to use the whole address space, thereby removing the supposed limitation of 1 IVP4 & 1 IPV6. Made for some low-budget lab experiments before I got my purpose-built ESXi rig at the residence.

As for the estimate on human cap, Malthus might have something to say about that. We can pull resources from outside this pebble of a rock, I don't know that there's any real cap anytime soon. This whole supposed water scarcity fear-mongering is barely worth the chuckle. Too many unis made this a total non-issue with on the cheap graphene water-desalination in the last decade.

tankerkiller125

jordanjay29 Well it's estimated that the earth has a natural human cap of around 12-13Billion people. And even if we assume that each one of those people has like 200 devices we still wouldn't run out of addresses. Naturally, this doesn't include data centers however the reality is that IPV6 was designed with the far future in mind.

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