Let's just fund it and get stable version out there

Prosperous

Not really.

Pretty sure it's been made VERY clear that Flarum is not a focused full-time project; it never was. If you had paid more attention to what's written throughout the forum and the site you would know these answers yourself.

as2ute

Whilst I fully appreciate that "Rome wasn't built in a day", I also appreciate that after having a taster/trailer of Flarum, potential forum/website owners will quickly be 'sold' and 'addicted' to its quite obvious potential. After all - a carrot has been dangled in front of them, and to use another analogy - the bait has been taken. All quite understandable and natural.

I am not a tech-guru or coder. I am a successful businessman. Blind me with 'jargon' and/or technical reasons why Flarum cannot 'go live' and I will always bow to your better judgement. However, without wishing to 'preach' every journey starts with those first tentative steps...

I think it is a very valid argument when [some] state that a simplified, scaled-down basic version of Flarum that can be implemented 'live' is a more prudent course of action. It can be improved overtime 'on the fly' as and when all the experts have time to further its development.

A BASIC principle of business - be quick and be 'first to market'. It is VERY valid to state that Flarum has excellent projects because of how it looks/feels - but if it were to be superseded by something else, with equal potential, where would it be then? Redundant!

A scaled down version of Flarum would allow owners/users to 'grow' as Flarum grows - in the real world. Focusing on perfection does run the risk of being superseded. Doesn't simple = fewer bugs? Or perhaps I am being far too simplistic....

IMHO I would prefer a stable, basic version and accept that some of the more fancy functionality will have to wait until those devoted to Flarum's development have the time to do more. Sure, if they are studying - that takes precedence over anything else. As others have said - it's all about priorities.

Leave something for too long - it's left for dust. That's the cynical nature of business and I am sure [some] may agree that the same principle applies to Flarum. SOMETHING is better than NOTHING...?

Perhaps someone here closer to the coalface might wish to start a thread outlining core, basic functionality, layout and preferences to focus on, and strip-out a lot of the non-essential 'beautification' aspects for later versions?

Just a thought...
Respect as always.

jordanjay29

as2ute Perhaps someone here closer to the coalface might wish to start a thread outlining core, basic functionality, layout and preferences to focus on, and strip-out a lot of the non-essential 'beautification' aspects for later versions?

This has been done internally.

Kulga

as2ute Thank you for your post - you illustrate good points.
You also share similar ideas to the very core of flarum itself - extensibility.
Flarum itself does very little and is very basic, rather, it's extensions that provide much of the functionality you see (including the tag system, **markdown** and [b]bbcode[/b])
You can test this in my demo forum (Devflarum)
I agree with KISS and for the most part, flarum has pulled it off.

A BASIC principle of business - be quick and be 'first to market'. It is VERY valid to state that Flarum has excellent projects because of how it looks/feels - but if it were to be superseded by something else, with equal potential, where would it be then? Redundant!

I hear this a lot and it's right.. for proprietary content. But - when the "product" is free, does it matter if a lot of people use it or not? Not really. The forum is free and will be free (and licensed as such). It's only who gives back (whether through bug reports, bug fixes, helping others, etc) that actually help it
First to market probably works great when you are trying to make a profit or "take over the market". The goal here I believe is to simply make a great forum software in the developers own perspective. That can never be considered redundant.
In my opinion, if flarum replaced all forums - great. If not, that's cool too. It's just not relevant. But it works great for me, so I do what I can to help it keep going.

as2ute

I do NOT agree that simply throwing a ton of money at something is a fast-track to success. You only have to look at the vast majority of failed venture 'start-ups' to figure that one out! ?

What works? = K.I.S.S.

(Keep It Simple, Stupid).

as2ute

Kulga jordanjay29
I very much appreciate your comments. I was extremely conscious of not wishing to appear either (i) ungrateful or (ii) cocky, as that would be unacceptable and somewhat distressing to learn.

I mentioned in a previous thread that, as a non-tech individual I cannot provide much in terms of technical ability - but as per previous website experiences, I have paid for certain private plugin functionality - and willingly given my permission to share these with the wider community. My way of "giving back" I guess? I will do that here too.

In the interim, whilst fully aware of the potential bugs - I think it's time I got my tech chap to install Flarum or at the very least familiarise himself with it!!

Franz

We've all been very busy with our private lives lately, but we'll get together to focus on bringing a first usable release out as quickly as possible - which will likely mean stripping some features that were originally planned for the first stable version.

I think it's obvious that we need to get to a more realistic roadmap very soon, so thanks for bringing it up and sharing your ideas! ?

spriteclad

Franz Does this mean a stable release will happen instead of Beta 6? I haven't been following the dev updates recently.

HavocK

Franz Please take your time ?

jordanjay29

spriteclad I wouldn't be expecting this. This news probably means that the stable release will come sooner than if it included all the currently planned features.

Prosperous

It's just that fine line; take a little longer to release a stable version with all the planned features or sacrifice a few and release sooner. I don't know what path is the best one to go down but the decision is in capable hands.

Fully supportive of whatever is chosen. I'm sure all the puzzle pieces will complete the picture soon enough. ?

meetdilip

There is a lot of interest in Flarum. So, I guess the decision to come with a stable version first is a good one.

Prosperous

No doubt about it. Everything else should be put on the back burner as there is always time for it. The forum is what matters at the moment in my opinion.

ashkir

I would gladly pay for even a beta with an installer or someone to install a copy for me, so I can use it for live production.

HavocK

ashkir Why pay when you can donate ?

Prosperous

ashkir There are plenty of tutorials on this forum to get an installation of Flarum ready for you to use as a project or for production. However bear in mind that it is recommended you do not run the forum in a production environment as you may encounter issues; Flarum is still in beta so nothing is full-proof until otherwise stated.

ashkir

HavocK Don't really want to use Composer and have to install something onto my server I won't ever use again. There's no admin demo so I'm extremely unsure about this.

HavocK

ashkir They are wroking on it. Just be patient.

Kulga

ashkir There's no admin demo so I'm extremely unsure about this.

Like Devflarum?

ashkir

Kulga That's cool! Thank you Kulga!

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