FriendsOfFlarum Byōbu, well integrated, advanced private discussions

bryantmilan

Hi, I have an issue with this extension. I explained the problem below in the example and in short the problem is that the user cannot leave or delete a private discussion if user is left alone in it. The extension is great and I really need it, but this is a big flaw!

Example:

UserA started private discussion with UserB and after a while UserA left private discussion. UserB is now alone in private discussion and he is not able to left or delete that private discussion.

luceos

GitHenry hey,man!how to solve???

Hey man, please try to keep a friendly tone. Especially because it's not even clear this extension is causing the issue.

Can you post the output of php flarum info?

bryantmilan I explained the problem below in the example and in short the problem is that the user cannot leave or delete a private discussion if user is left alone in it

I am not entirely sure what the better solution could be like so that it can work for every community out there. You could flag the discussion and have a moderator delete it, but granting deletion permission to a user just because they are the last isn't really a viable reason in my opinion.

GitHenry

IanM
~~hey,man!how to solve???~~

GitHenry

luceos sorry,I sincerely apologize to you.

flarum info:

Flarum core 0.1.0-beta.13
PHP version: 7.3.20
Loaded extensions: Core, date, libxml, openssl, pcre, sqlite3, zlib, bcmath, ctype, curl, dom, filter, ftp, gd, gettext, hash, iconv, intl, json, mbstring, SPL, session, pcntl, standard, PDO, mysqlnd, pdo_sqlite, Phar, posix, Reflection, pdo_mysql, shmop, SimpleXML, soap, sockets, sodium, mysqli, sysvsem, tokenizer, xml, xmlreader, xmlrpc, xmlwriter, zip, fileinfo, exif, ionCube Loader, Zend OPcache
+--------------------------------------+----------------+--------+
| Flarum Extensions                    |                |        |
+--------------------------------------+----------------+--------+
| ID                                   | Version        | Commit |
+--------------------------------------+----------------+--------+
| flarum-approval                      | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| flarum-bbcode                        | v0.1.0-beta.12 |        |
| flarum-emoji                         | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| flarum-lang-english                  | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| flarum-flags                         | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| flarum-likes                         | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| flarum-lock                          | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| flarum-markdown                      | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| flarum-mentions                      | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| flarum-statistics                    | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| flarum-sticky                        | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| flarum-subscriptions                 | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| flarum-suspend                       | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| flarum-tags                          | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| littlegolden-lang-simplified-chinese | v0.1.67        |        |
| csineneo-lang-traditional-chinese    | 1.13.1         |        |
| flarum-auth-github                   | v0.1.0-beta.13 |        |
| clarkwinkelmann-emojionearea         | 0.2.2          |        |
| the-turk-extended-appearance         | 0.1.1          |        |
| clarkwinkelmann-author-change        | 0.1.5          |        |
| irony-login2see                      | 0.0.1          |        |
| v17development-seo                   | 1.2            |        |
| fof-best-answer                      | 0.1.8          |        |
| fof-sitemap                          | 0.4.0          |        |
| fof-upload                           | 0.9.2          |        |
| fof-realtimedate                     | 0.1.2          |        |
| fof-reactions                        | 0.3.2          |        |
| fof-moderator-notes                  | 0.1.6          |        |
| fof-pretty-mail                      | 0.1.6          |        |
| reflar-level-ranks                   | 1.2.2          |        |
| fof-formatting                       | 0.1.4          |        |
| veroz1-users-list                    | 0.1.3          |        |
| reflar-cookie-consent                | 0.2.0          |        |
| itnt-backtop                         | v0.1.7.2       |        |
| michaelbelgium-discussion-views      | v4.0.0         |        |
| fof-nightmode                        | 0.4.0          |        |
| askvortsov-moderator-warnings        | v0.1.8         |        |
| fof-user-directory                   | 0.3.4          |        |
| fof-follow-tags                      | 0.3.4          |        |
| askvortsov-categories                | v1.0.4         |        |
| fof-forum-statistics-widget          | 0.1.1          |        |
| kvothe-pipetables                    | 1.0.9          |        |
| kvothe-reply-to-see                  | v0.1.2         |        |
| fof-linguist                         | 0.4.2          |        |
| fof-pages                            | 0.4.0          |        |
| fof-links                            | 0.3.0          |        |
| fof-user-bio                         | 0.1.3          |        |
| fof-polls                            | 0.1.2          |        |
| squeevee-fancybox                    | 0.2-beta       |        |
| clarkwinkelmann-circle-groups        | 0.2.1          |        |
| fof-github-autolink                  | 0.1.3          |        |
| fof-merge-discussions                | 0.3.3          |        |
| littlegolden-mybb                    | dev-master     |        |
| antoinefr-bbcode-fa                  | 0.2.1          |        |
| zerosonesfun-font                    | 1.1            |        |
| zerosonesfun-accordion               | 2.4            |        |
| zerosonesfun-blur                    | 1.1            |        |
| fof-username-request                 | 0.2.0          |        |
| zerosonesfun-action                  | 1.0            |        |
| zerosonesfun-pop                     | 1.0            |        |
| zerosonesfun-tooltip                 | 1.1            |        |
| zerosonesfun-spoiler                 | 1.2            |        |
| oe800-bbcode-alerts                  | 0.2.0          |        |
| reflar-doorman                       | 0.1.5          |        |
| therealsujitk-show-password          | v1.0.3         |        |
| fof-terms                            | 0.4.2          |        |
| fof-socialprofile                    | 0.1.2          |        |
| fof-geoip                            | 0.1.7          |        |
| fof-ban-ips                          | 0.2.0          |        |
| fof-drafts                           | 0.1.12         |        |
| zerosonesfun-elint                   | 1.5            |        |
| minr-auth-weibo                      | v0.1.8         |        |
| fof-profile-image-crop               | 0.1.2          |        |
| fof-default-user-preferences         | 0.2.0          |        |
| fof-byobu                            | 0.5.6          |        |
| simonxeko-preview-discussion         | 0.1.0          |        |
+--------------------------------------+----------------+--------+

thank you for your help

Pollux

luceos but granting deletion permission to a user just because they are the last isn't really a viable reason in my opinion.

I had discussed this topic with my community a while ago. People wanted to be able to delete PMs as they were used to. I said this was not possible because, unlike other forum programs, there is only one copy of a private discussion in the database. So the thread had to be stored until every participant of a private discussion had expressed their will to have it deleted. The solution we all agreed on: People simply leave a discussion they no longer want in their inbox, and when the last participant has left the discussion, it will be deleted. The first half is now feasible, the second half still needs to be addressed.

Leaving a private discussion in the database after each participant had expressed their will to end it seemed unreasonable and only raised privacy concerns.

bryantmilan

luceos After some time of trying out this extension I realized that with tagging the posts and then deleting by the moderator is the only way to delete the private discussion. I would like the user to start that private discussion when he wants to ask something private and have a conversation with another user and after that conversation or discussion is over, they can both get out of that discussion or that the UserA or UserB can delete that discussion. If that conversation is over or UserA got the information or help he wanted and UserB left that conversation after helping, I see no reason why that conversation would be on the list of all private discussions. It would be great if the user at least can delete that private discussion for himself or even if he can just get out of that private discussion and it doesn't appear to him anymore. I don't know if that's possible, but maybe in the Permissions section there is an option who can delete regular discussions and who can delete private discussions as different option. It would be great if the user could delete only private discussions where he is alone and which he doesn't need anymore . This is just a suggestion, it's not something big, but as some people say it's all in the details 🙂

luceos

Pollux sounds like a reasonable solution. I like it. But maybe just soft delete?

Pollux

luceos But maybe just soft delete?

Why soft?

I look at private discussions like e-mails. How would you feel about your e-mail provider if they only soft-deleted your mails when you decided to delete them? I would be seriously concerned.

luceos

Pollux because your use case isn't that of everyone. Byobu never was meant to be just a private messaging extension. It was meant to have meaning to RPG forums as well for instance. They can use byobu to have temporary discussions limited to a subset of users where discussions do not simply get deleted.

Narrowing the functionality of an extension based on the opinion of the loudest users will often lead to disappointment with the rest. Extensions, in my opinion, should be flexible enough to appeal to the large majority not the vocal minority 😉

That's why I try to find the best way forward for everyone. One could make this an option for instance. Allow deletion by last recipient ...

askvortsov

luceos That's why I try to find the best way forward for everyone. One could make this an option for instance. Allow deletion by last recipient ...

I like making this an option, perhaps it could be:

Don't allow delete
Allow soft delete
Allow hard delete

Pollux

luceos One could make this an option for instance. Allow deletion by last recipient ...

This seems the best way to go. And I support @askvortsov's suggestion of offering an admin both, allowing hard deletion and allowing soft deletion.

jordanjay29

luceos It was meant to have meaning to RPG forums as well for instance.

I'm curious on what this was meant to do for RPG forums.

GitHenry

good, very good, very beautiful,very wonderful, very unbelievable.

Ganesha604

Hi. After sending private messages, hangs over loading. But messages come

Ganesha604

luceos

Ganesha604 make sure the slug you selected in the Byobu settings is a slug that matches an existing tag.

Ganesha604

Everything is exposed, sometimes it gives such an error. And sometimes the whole site stops working

Juba007

Is there a way to change/translate the text in the email notification? I only found the titles of the notifications.

tankerkiller125

Juba007 Flarum (and thus this extension) don't have the ability to translate email content yet. However we are working on making that available in B.14 when it gets released.

ctml

When adding users to a private discussion, it would be helpful if the search function did a lookup on the display name rather than just username (both if possible). In the search results it uses the display name already which is good, not sure if the display name was left out of search for a reason.

HD3D

I don't know for what reason I'm not receiving web notification when someone starts private discussion with me.

Any help?

Ralkage

HD3D did you check your notification settings to see if “Someone includes me in a new private discussion” is enabled? If it is, try disabling and enabling it again 🙂

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