Second level primary tags tags are secondary tags?

jordanjay29

b2z Stef_ I've seen this complaint come up a few times before, and I think the language clarity is an issue. Flarum seems to categorize tags in two ways when there are three. There are Primary tags, (what I call) Nested Secondary tags, and Secondary tags (luceos here calls those Helper tags, but those are just how we use them here on discuss). But the language inside the Admin panel seems to conflate the Nested Secondary tags with Primary tags, even though the code itself treats Nested Secondaries and Secondaries (standalone) the same.

I think it's a mild bug, and a confusion that needs correcting first at the language level, and then we should look at whether the behavior reflects what Flarum wants to happen.

Your use case seems perfectly valid, the question is really about whether that's something Flarum wants to offer in core or just allow a community extension to be written. There are certainly plenty of avenues where the Tags extension could be extended in ways that would help certain communities, this is definitely one such case.

Stef_

jordanjay29 Well, thank you!

b2z

Thank you. That what I was thinking about also - correct the description about primary tags providing a little bit more explanation about the nested primary tags.

Something like: Second level (nested) primary tags acts as secondary tags that are connected with concrete first level primary tag.

jordanjay29

b2z Stef_ would one of you mind opening an issue for it?

Stef_

jordanjay29 How or where I do that?

jordanjay29

Stef_ https://github.com/flarum/core/issues/new/choose

SilverPoplar

Is it possible to choose Nested secondary tag (or few) without automatically loaded Primary Tag (Parent tag for Nested tag) when start New discussion ? I just want to use Primary tag to contain nested tags without ability to use it as common tag.

clarkwinkelmann

SilverPoplar that would probably require forking/extending the Tags extension.

luceos

I've been naming them like this (according to how they are visualised in the admin area):

Primary tags
- Sub- or nested tags

Helper (or regular) tags

Helper tags assist your labeling processes across the complete forum. Primary and sub tags are used to categorize your discussions.

benjaminschultz

Sorry to revive this post, but has any progress been made on this issue or can you provide a workaround? For my use case, "primary child tags" being treated as secondary tags makes it impossible for me to use Flarum. I have primary tags (e.g. Cats, Dogs) and sub-tags (e.g. Cat Food under cats and Dog Training under dogs), then I use the secondary tags for information on the state of the discussion (e.g. Needs Help / Pending Solution / Solved), of which it can only have one state. As such, it doesn't make sense for "required number of secondary tags" to apply to the primary sub-tags - because then when someone selects Cat > Cat Food, they can't then select "Open".

I've perused the github issues (and here)and it seems the intention was for primary child tags to be treated as "a greater level of specificity RELATED TO a primary tag" wheras the secondary tags can provide specificity to any other tags, so the current functionality seems to be a bug. Are there any existing extensions or workarounds to address this?

Hadious15

clarkwinkelmann Is it possible to add children to a Secondary tag using an extension or by editing something?

GreXXL

Hadious15 that is not currently possible and there is no extension achieving this.

User31

Wait what?

So is this an incorrect interpretation?

And instead there are actually 2 completely separate sections regarded as being (1) [Primary Tags + Sub-Primary Tags] & (2) [Secondary Tags] ?

Like this?

☝️😄By the gotts that would be inherently counterintuitive and definitely ought to be clearly explained in the Tags extension ACP.

clarkwinkelmann

User31 your second version is indeed how tag minimums and maximums are counted.

Main or sub primary tags doesn't have any incidence on validation or permissions, except that you cannot add a sub tag without its main tag as well.

NonVideri

clarkwinkelmann this is wrong. I've just tested this with 1-2 Primary and 1-1 Secondary tags allowance. When I select 2 Primary tags, I can only choose their Sub-tags, OR my defined Secondary tags:

If I choose a Sub-tag, I cannot select any Secondary tags, as they are counted to the same pool:

This seems like a bug, or a missing feature.