Multi-language content

alexbnc

What is the point of having a drop-down with multiple languages if the content will not change based on the selected one?
What about saving posts with the language they have been written in (based on the language used by the OP, to avoid complications), so users can filter them by language?

Pandry

I am making a forum and I would love to be able to differentiate the topics by the language, and, I would love to be able to translate the content of a topic to the other language

arajdon

Such a feature would be great..

Pandry

arajdon yeah, I agree, but I don't know if it's possible

Ralkage

Do you mean translating posts in a discussion real-time based on the forum set language?

Not currently possible, but I suppose someone can use Google Translate's API to translate posts based on the locale set for the forum or chosen per user basis.

Pandry

Ralkage Nope, I would like to make a post and translate it by myself before posting it

arajdon

The best way to realize this is to

be able to tag discussions with a language tag
make it possible to choose as a user what languages I am interested in (e.x. in profile settings or after registration)
set right language in html by tags for seo
...

Pandry

Yeah, but I don't know if it's possible to do with a plugin (and in case, I know nothing about the plugins yet, but I believe that if a plugin can have its own table, it would be easy to do it)...
I would like to talk to an admin or someone who actually coded a plugin right now since in this moment I haven't time to check it...
Anyway, the table would be called something like "translations" and as fields (I had no time to look at the DB schema, so I'm just guessing) I believe it would be enough to have an id as PK, a messageas a FK to refer to the message, a language filed to indicate the translated language and a translation with the message translated...
Ad for the UI, I believe it could be possible to add a combo box next to the Minimize button with the languages actually in use:
https://i.imgur.com/7qhtBmp.png
https://i.imgur.com/D4ivmTf.png

clarkwinkelmann

If somebody's willing to sponsor the development of such an extension I'd be happy to work on it ?

Might be a bit difficult to decide on a requirement list that satisfies everybody here though, there are so many possibilities regarding content translation.

Pandry

clarkwinkelmann Well, I belive we could discuss about it here...
Isn't this the place?

Pandry

I believe this would be the first forum with such a feature

arajdon

I guess content translation for posts is not the right way to do it.

You can't have a discussion in more then one language. I mean, i could start here writing and explaining in german (of course only if the start post would have a german translation), but at some point some people are going to loose track of the discussion.

That's why I started with language tagging ... A simple system where you tag your discussion in one specific language. And well, if you'd like to have the same topic in another language, just make another thread.

Keep it simple. ?

Pandry

arajdon I belive it could be possible to make use of the Deepl or the Google Translate API in case anyway...

arajdon

Pandry sure it would be possible to have a kind of "overlay" for language translations.. but is it really worth it?

Pandry

Or, if my idea isn't appreciated, it could be possible to show the threads based on the current language in use

Zeokat

Multilanguage contents aren't easy to achieve. Anyway will be great an extension that allow add language icons (flags). At least user can identify contents language from discussion lists.

Pandry

arajdon No idea...
I am just proposing...
But probably the best idea it's to duplicate the thread and show only a thread per language

jordanjay29

Pandry why not simply use tags for this? If you're simply duplicating the original post with translated content, and not translating the replies to the original, they would simply be parallel discussions in different languages. You could just create secondary tags with the specific languages you support and tag discussions as necessary.

arajdon

jordanjay29 The language itself is not a topic and should not "waste" any secondary tags.

Plus, flarum tagging is very basic and has not any functions of rules or extended inherence. (What I a little mad of.)

Consider following:

language filtering: there could be user that don't want to see specific languages in their "All discussions"
one discussion = one language: if configured user are able to set multiple secondary tags
intuitive interface/language settings
seo: right html headers for discussion
...

Zeokat

jordanjay29 The proper way to do this is: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/189077

arajdon

Razor see arajdon