What are the advantages of Flarum over Discourse?

Freddy

People forget one very important factor.

Yes, Discourse requires a bit of resource to run initially, but it can also handle quite a big activity load before it requires any additional resources on top of the ones it took when initiating the app to begin with.

If a forum has 1 million active users, will Flarum take less resources then Discourse? Based on it being buildt on PHP, highly unlikely, it's almost guaranteed to consume more resources then Discourse.

Discourse is a board intended for high-end communities with a lot of activity, it's not without reason that some of the biggest tech companies have chosen Discourse, if they ever move to another platform, it's likely never going to be Flarum or any other PHP driven board. Discourse use-case is not for non-programmers, dev-ops and so on, it's intended to be installed, setup and controlled by those exact people, it's not Wordpress, never has been, never will be. Unfortuantly, then Flarum is taking this path as well, and i would strongly discourage any non-it-personal to even attempt running a Flarum board, a single issue and your in deep shit.

All in all, in my opinion, non is better then the other pure design / functionality wise. The real benefit comes in when you mention visitors, activity level and use case. Flarum and Discourse is two boards that does the same, but they are intended for very different groups of people.

Franz

Freddy Based on it being buildt on PHP, highly unlikely, it's almost guaranteed to consume more resources then Discourse.

Well, Discourse is built on Ruby, that's not exactly known to be very resource-friendly either. Or what are you suggesting? ?

jordanjay29

Franz I'm curious on this as well. For a long time, enterprise forums were using vBulletin or IPB, both PHP based forums that weren't exactly resource friendly. They had all the bells and whistles that were desired by technology support sites, though, and could handle big populations by way of database optimizations and other scaling technologies built into the software.

Freddy

Franz I'm merely suggesting that PHP consumes more then Ruby, unless you want to prove me wrong?

webeindustry

Freddy

Do you really want me to? Because that's not too difficult.

I actually already did this with reqs/s in Discourse vs Flarum... but let's see if you truly care to bite.

Anyways, this isn't as easy as php vs ruby, or even Laravel vs Rails, but of course with your 16 years of dev experience, you should know this and also know you're not presenting a truthful comparison.

0E800

Why do these posts that start out with innocent requests end up becoming railroaded by drop dead freddy, who is always trying to nitpick with the devs?

It's getting too salty in a place I found to be quite pleasant. Lighten up or take it to gitter. Your MO is becoming very obvious. Or maybe its just me who finds Freddy to be intolerable. Defiantly not inviting his kids to my sons birthday party.

Being that this in the off topic section, I feel my opinion is acceptable. Id rather not create a whole new topic.

Freddy

0E800 Lol, you got to be the most retarded person i have ever seen. The only one attacking anyone, is you, other members and moderators that go against ME because YOU dislike what i have to say.

I'm not starting a war by giving my opinion in a thread "mate", your starting a war with your ignorant replies to my contributions. Like the reply you made just now, completely irrelevant, pure garbage and has no use what so ever.

For the record, i don't think i have had a single convo with a single developer until Franz made a reply in this specific thread. When it comes to my kids going to your kids birthday party, then dont worry, my kids will do like all the other kids and not show up. So do me a favor. Fuck off.

If you care to go back and read my replies, you will notice rather quickly that im not the one attacking anyone, your the one attacking me because you cant handle someone disagreeing with you. But dont worry, soon @Digital will come running and blame ME for your outbursts, like all the other threads, of course, after he's had a few of his moments first as well.

Prosperous

Discourse charge $100/month for using their forum software right?

Enough said.

webeindustry

Prosperous

That's their base package, & yes it's very telling ?

Prosperous

That'll be enough for the vast majority of forum users (on the personal side just wanting to have their own community) to steer clear of the software. I mean, it may be a decent forum to use but the thing is that they have the funding behind them to be able to invest into the software. Flarum is young and despite it being very active, people are worried about the beta tag that the software currently holds.

It will always come down to what you want out of the software you choose and whether it meets your needs and expectations, and in some cases the look and feel. There's not much else to it. One of my most successful communities was not using vBulletin, IP.Board, phpBB or even MyBB, it was a SMF forum. It had everything that I needed for the community and my members commented on how great the software really was. It was my biggest mistake that I decided to go to software that I thought was 'better' (IP.Board) and I lost the majority of my activity and members. Change isn't always good and if it works then continue using it; don't fix what ain't broke.

The only reason I ever change software now, or in this case swap to Flarum altogether, is because I am starting a new project. I am not migrating from anywhere and so far Flarum has everything I need in a need little package. I definitely see the potential in the software and I am confident that the developers will get a stable released and will continue maintaining it.

0E800

Freddy

Tldr.. my point made. God bless the poor individuals that come in contact with you in person. Stay where it's safe..in your basement buddy.

Prosperous

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I don't think it quite justifies swearing though.

Freddy

Prosperous Swearing is a means of expressing yourself. This isn't a bible group.

"Treat others the way you want to be treated yourself" And so far, a few members get exactly what they ask for. If you want a mature discussion, give a mature reply, or dont reply at all.

webeindustry

Freddy

Being a decent individual has nothing to do with religion, or a bible. From the community guidelines:

ABOVE ALL, BE COOL!

We're all here to talk about Flarum, and to work together toward making it an even better application. Criticizing ideas (by means of reasoned arguments, of course) is an important part of that. But let's not get carried away and devolve into personal attacks, because negativity only gets in the way. We also ask that you avoid the following:

Offensive or abusive language, as well as any kind of hate speech
Posts intended to harass, impersonate, or defame others
Unnecessary deletion of posted content
Attempts to abuse or expose the private information of others
Obscene or sexually explicit content
Spam, phishing posts, and any actions intended to deface this site
Discussion of software piracy and similar topics
All the above are grounds for moderator action. If you have an issue with another member, we ask that you please don't confront them yourself. Please just use the Report command on the post in question, then leave it up to the staff to deal with the situation.

Our moderators may edit or delete any content that is offensive or disruptive to the flow of communication. Serious or repeated offenses may lead to suspension of the offending user's account. So, you know, be cool. ?

From an atheist ?

Freddy

webeindustry I don't see anything in the rules disallowing swearing? It merely states "Offensive and abusive" language.

Swearing, as i mentioned, is a means of expressing yourself really ******* well ?

^{^(Mod} ^{^edit:} ^{^obscure} ^{^offensive} ^{^language)}

webeindustry

Freddy

I do think common-sense may be required... or should I better say to you directly, having an open mind. ?

Freddy

webeindustry Doesn't make sense. I would have to say it's you that need to have an open mind towards my swearing? Not me that needs to have an open mind towards your dislike towards swearing? ?

"Nothing in this world that's said or done, is negative, until someone says so"

In other words, my swearing, only became a problem when you made it one.

webeindustry

Freddy

It's not about the opinion of you or I, right or wrong, positive or negative, it's about participating within a community that has rules, and as members of the community are free to interpret, they will act.

It's not my problem, I trust you will see soon enough. Maturity takes time.

Freddy

webeindustry But right now, i'm not actually breaking any community rules? I am breaking rules based on how YOU interpret them. Not what they actually say.

What exactly is the problem? That i made a reply stating that people forget how much Discource can handle before it requires additional resources? Is it because i disagree on the fact that Ruby takes more resources then PHP by default? Or is it because i didn't like a random dude coming around bashing the thread for no reason at all and responded accordingly?

Again; If you notice, im not the one trolling here, im not the one starting a war, im not the one going personal and im def. never the one that derails a topic. You guys are. Simply because you dislike my opinions you go overboard and way off topic, and very very personal. This specific conversation is an EXCELLENT example on how YOU go off-topic, personal and way to far, because YOU dislike what I had to say on the TOPIC.

What i do see tho, is 0E800, @HavocK and yourself, all breaking clearly guided rules, in this thread alone.

HavocK

0E800 I guess we have a special snowflake here...

0E800

Freddy
The reason swearing is considered abusive is because not everyone here is 31 going on 15. We have youth that also wish to dev and use flarum. You are only thinking about yourself and showing very poor showmanship.

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