When considering a good forum platform, a person should look for these important features first.
Flarum is still in it's minority stage but already have these features under the hood. It's like playing a video game on handicap mode and still have the highest score ?
Cactus You are absolutely right men !! Since its inception, Jeff Attwood said will create a simple-to-use amazing tool that will be encourage more developers to change to "ruby" and "postgress". Why ? Because his "intellectual correctness " and " geek ego ". Yet if discourse look nice, have good features and look well from the UI point of view, their plan is not to be so open source and even less to be wide adopted: only see the way the complicated things using docker and even having to use a f**ng crazy virtual machine so you can try his forum ... they want to be like the "wordpress guys" but it is evident from miles away that they want to be the only guys in business.
Their ego is so big that they think all the world will change and learn ruby because of their application. I'm glad that there is a option like flarum.
Franz Well, THATS about as honest/humble as you can get! ?
However, after running a Discourse instance on Rails for over a year I became very disenchanted come the end - hence finding myself here! I concur that the "my way or the highway" rigidity of the Discourse Devs. is extremely off-putting for anyone looking for a flexible longer-term forum solution.
It is fair to mention that I had no running issues with Discourse and the design is slick. However, it was such a more modern look, members had a tough time adapting (compared to 'ye olde style forums of old...) The lack of an WYSIWYG editor killed it in the end for my members (even though I personally don't like WYSIWYG as the forum starts to look messy and 'cheap')....
I applaud FLARUM for its lightweight, resource-economic foundation and agree that it is likely to become extremely popular once stable. Of course this then begs the question of "uniqueness" & "individuality" when FLARUM becomes the 'go-to' forum solution...
Wordpress integration is an obvious route, irrespective of whether FLARUM is a PAGE or separate SUBDOMAIN/Multi-site installation - And I think the devs. are right to hold back prior to launching a stable v1.0 product. Forum members are hard to find and are a fickle bunch. They will be very quick to moan and leave (in my experience). Stability and lightness is KEY.
I am confident FLARUM will mature into a much more flexible, easily integrated solution than Discourse, whilst mimicking the crisp, modern style Discourse was (rightly) praised for. Ultimately - We are all looking for a modern forum solution thats quick, dynamic and pleasing on the eye - but no matter how sexy FLARUM might be - IT'S GOTTA WORK PROPERLY!!!
Like so many others, I eagerly await the launch of the first stable version - and would much prefer a quick launch of a stable BASIC version, that can improve over time, over BETA versions with several more features that are problematic etc. We can all then 'go live' and add features with subsequent updates - in the meantime building a larger user base and attracting more dedicated FLARUM advocates.
THANK YOU devs. for all your hard work to date. It is quite apparent that like myself, there are many people here that are extremely grateful for what you are trying to achieve with FLARUM and admire your technical prowess.
10/10 ?
Right now I will stick to Discourse. Because I need a Forum software which is completely SEO friendly.
Flarum lacks on it.
Handling permalinks...
301 Redirects...
Canonical URL...
Etc..
I like Flarum because of it is speed.
Albert Flarum lacks on it.
Handling permalinks...
What don't you like about our permalinks? ?
As for the other things (redirects & canonical URLs), there is currently a lively discussion ongoing in this ticket. Feel free to join in!
People forget one very important factor.
Yes, Discourse requires a bit of resource to run initially, but it can also handle quite a big activity load before it requires any additional resources on top of the ones it took when initiating the app to begin with.
If a forum has 1 million active users, will Flarum take less resources then Discourse? Based on it being buildt on PHP, highly unlikely, it's almost guaranteed to consume more resources then Discourse.
Discourse is a board intended for high-end communities with a lot of activity, it's not without reason that some of the biggest tech companies have chosen Discourse, if they ever move to another platform, it's likely never going to be Flarum or any other PHP driven board. Discourse use-case is not for non-programmers, dev-ops and so on, it's intended to be installed, setup and controlled by those exact people, it's not Wordpress, never has been, never will be. Unfortuantly, then Flarum is taking this path as well, and i would strongly discourage any non-it-personal to even attempt running a Flarum board, a single issue and your in deep shit.
All in all, in my opinion, non is better then the other pure design / functionality wise. The real benefit comes in when you mention visitors, activity level and use case. Flarum and Discourse is two boards that does the same, but they are intended for very different groups of people.
Franz I'm curious on this as well. For a long time, enterprise forums were using vBulletin or IPB, both PHP based forums that weren't exactly resource friendly. They had all the bells and whistles that were desired by technology support sites, though, and could handle big populations by way of database optimizations and other scaling technologies built into the software.
Why do these posts that start out with innocent requests end up becoming railroaded by drop dead freddy, who is always trying to nitpick with the devs?
It's getting too salty in a place I found to be quite pleasant. Lighten up or take it to gitter. Your MO is becoming very obvious. Or maybe its just me who finds Freddy to be intolerable. Defiantly not inviting his kids to my sons birthday party.
Being that this in the off topic section, I feel my opinion is acceptable. Id rather not create a whole new topic.
Do you really want me to? Because that's not too difficult.
I actually already did this with reqs/s in Discourse vs Flarum... but let's see if you truly care to bite.
Anyways, this isn't as easy as php vs ruby, or even Laravel vs Rails, but of course with your 16 years of dev experience, you should know this and also know you're not presenting a truthful comparison.
Discourse charge $100/month for using their forum software right?
Enough said.
That's their base package, & yes it's very telling ?
That'll be enough for the vast majority of forum users (on the personal side just wanting to have their own community) to steer clear of the software. I mean, it may be a decent forum to use but the thing is that they have the funding behind them to be able to invest into the software. Flarum is young and despite it being very active, people are worried about the beta tag that the software currently holds.
It will always come down to what you want out of the software you choose and whether it meets your needs and expectations, and in some cases the look and feel. There's not much else to it. One of my most successful communities was not using vBulletin, IP.Board, phpBB or even MyBB, it was a SMF forum. It had everything that I needed for the community and my members commented on how great the software really was. It was my biggest mistake that I decided to go to software that I thought was 'better' (IP.Board) and I lost the majority of my activity and members. Change isn't always good and if it works then continue using it; don't fix what ain't broke.
The only reason I ever change software now, or in this case swap to Flarum altogether, is because I am starting a new project. I am not migrating from anywhere and so far Flarum has everything I need in a need little package. I definitely see the potential in the software and I am confident that the developers will get a stable released and will continue maintaining it.
0E800 Lol, you got to be the most retarded person i have ever seen. The only one attacking anyone, is you, other members and moderators that go against ME because YOU dislike what i have to say.
I'm not starting a war by giving my opinion in a thread "mate", your starting a war with your ignorant replies to my contributions. Like the reply you made just now, completely irrelevant, pure garbage and has no use what so ever.
For the record, i don't think i have had a single convo with a single developer until Franz made a reply in this specific thread. When it comes to my kids going to your kids birthday party, then dont worry, my kids will do like all the other kids and not show up. So do me a favor. Fuck off.
If you care to go back and read my replies, you will notice rather quickly that im not the one attacking anyone, your the one attacking me because you cant handle someone disagreeing with you. But dont worry, soon @Digital will come running and blame ME for your outbursts, like all the other threads, of course, after he's had a few of his moments first as well.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I don't think it quite justifies swearing though.
Prosperous Swearing is a means of expressing yourself. This isn't a bible group.
"Treat others the way you want to be treated yourself" And so far, a few members get exactly what they ask for. If you want a mature discussion, give a mature reply, or dont reply at all.
Being a decent individual has nothing to do with religion, or a bible. From the community guidelines:
ABOVE ALL, BE COOL!
We're all here to talk about Flarum, and to work together toward making it an even better application. Criticizing ideas (by means of reasoned arguments, of course) is an important part of that. But let's not get carried away and devolve into personal attacks, because negativity only gets in the way. We also ask that you avoid the following:
Offensive or abusive language, as well as any kind of hate speech
Posts intended to harass, impersonate, or defame others
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Spam, phishing posts, and any actions intended to deface this site
Discussion of software piracy and similar topics
All the above are grounds for moderator action. If you have an issue with another member, we ask that you please don't confront them yourself. Please just use the Report command on the post in question, then leave it up to the staff to deal with the situation.Our moderators may edit or delete any content that is offensive or disruptive to the flow of communication. Serious or repeated offenses may lead to suspension of the offending user's account. So, you know, be cool. ?
From an atheist ?
webeindustry I don't see anything in the rules disallowing swearing? It merely states "Offensive and abusive" language.
Swearing, as i mentioned, is a means of expressing yourself really ******* well ?
(Mod edit: obscure offensive language)
I do think common-sense may be required... or should I better say to you directly, having an open mind. ?
