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luceos Not. Maybe the solution will be add in the permission list: "view suspended badge".
Actually seems you can only give permission for to be able to suspend an user.
luceos Not. Maybe the solution will be add in the permission list: "view suspended badge".
Actually seems you can only give permission for to be able to suspend an user.
peopleinside Maybe the solution will be add in the permission list: "view suspended badge".
That's exactly what I meant
luceos but at the moment seems there is no support for this. Maybe need to be added on Flarum feature request.
Hi luceos, nice to see you. Hope you are well. Thanks again for this amazing community.
Yeah it's not an existing feature yet. I also don't know how valuable reporting this would be as it's extremely specific. Let's first bring in the opinion of the wider community what exactly the requirements are and maybe come to an appropriate solution to suit the needs of the many.
I never noticed that normal users don't see the suspended badge... The only community where I see many banned profiles is here and I'm admin so never gave it too much though.
While maybe unrelated, I find the lack of ban reason a bit disturbing. We probably don't care about spam bots, but for normal profiles being banned it would be great to be able to give a little message. The reason type could also be something made public "This user was banned for spam", or things like that.
I feel like it's rare to see banned profiles. Most are spam bots, and the discussions they create are usually deleted. So no one will see their profile unless there's a public user list. Only for normal users that don't have all their posts deleted it might make sense to show it's a banned user.
clarkwinkelmann Agree but i don't agree to think the reason for banning should be public.
I think the reason should be visible only to the banned profile, a badge of banned or better suspended user should be visible also in the public discussion.
The case a user is bad so moderator made a suspension. No custom message are supported at the moment, this should be improved maybe inserted in the user notification or a pop message.
Moderator can alert actually the user in the public discussion but will be more logic the badge of banned user is not hidden to the public.
Does the general public really need to know that a user is banned though? I feel like making it public knowledge that someone was banned appears at least to me like guilt tripping or shaming the person who was banned when what got them banned very well may have been an off day/spur of the moment thing.
I understand that this would be a permission thing so I'm not going to object to it in overall because I understand every community has a different definition of what's considered acceptable/normal. And in fact because I know every community is different I would actually agree that the permission should be brought forward for it.
clarkwinkelmann The reason type could also be something made public "This user was banned for spam", or things like that.
I feel like this right here is a great idea, but whether it's public or only for admins should also be behind a permission, but the reasoning should always be sent to the user that was banned.
tankerkiller125 Does the general public really need to know that a user is banned though?
Flarum show user online also if a suspended user connect to his account. A suspended user can have done something of not nice in the forum, discussions are public so i think user should see if user is active or has been suspended. In other forum software usually a suspend user is visible not only to moderators and cannot be online if is banned. In Flarum a banned user can seems to be active because no suspended badge and online status show that user are active on the topic.
The reason for the ban should be private to user and moderators i think.
Additionally I think "last online" continues to update even if you're suspended. You can still login and it will update your last online time. This could make it seems like the profile is active even if it was suspended a long time ago
clarkwinkelmann Should we adjust how suspended users are handled then? Flarum is the only software I know of that suspended/banned users are able to continue logging in. I feel like maybe that should change so that they can't log in at all.
tankerkiller125 I feel like adding additional logic in the Suspend extension isn't really necessary.
I like the current approach. The Suspend extension hooks into the system, and removes all rights.
Maybe we could turn login into a gated permission, so that extensions that hook into the gate/policy system can easily do it as well.
clarkwinkelmann Yes true, maybe another issue... for this is strange Flarum suspend user are able to login.
Usually a ban don't let the user login.
IF an user suspended has some group or access to reserved labels created by an admin and is suspended from a moderator that has no access to this labels the user still be able to login and read the reserved content.
When user is suspended because has done something not good user still be this user online, no banned badge also last visit will be updated all time and if user has special badge that give access to reserved label will be still able to read, access this content.
tankerkiller125 I agree with that.
I think will be better block the user from the login and show the banned reason instead to let user login, be online, and have just a notification on top about why they cannot post.
Is not really clear... user log in, are able to login but see all button disabled and no message just a generic notification the account is suspended.
I think there should be two cases. One is to ban users, but to permanently ban (delete) users.
Ban users (whether permanent or temporary)
Permanently block (delete) users
peopleinside the user still be able to login and read the reserved content
That's not supposed to be possible. When you are banned, you can still login, but you have the same access as guests. If you can see restricted content while being suspended it's a bug and should be reported.
peopleinside I think it is fine to allow login for suspended users but general message for user about ban reason seems like a must have for me.
Is there any "workaround" atm to allow visibility of suspend badge to all users?
Is there any "workaround" atm to allow visibility of suspend badge to all users?
Not at the moment i think. You can only create manually a group with a badge that should be assigned manually at the suspended user who for admin will have two badges: one visible to only admin and one visible to all.
tankerkiller125 I agree with disallowing suspended users from logging in at all. Plus having a suspended badge visible to the public. At least that's how it is most suitable for my case...
In any case, suspended users shouldn't appear as regular online users.
EDIT: It's funny that a suspended user might not notice that he is suspended as there is no possible way to know other than a notification which, in some cases, might not be viewed. This will cause some kind of confusion for the user, finding himself unable to interact with the community.
+1 for this.
Banned badge should be visible to all user. Just had a big confusion about that in my community. I wasn't aware that regular users don't see it.
+1 for this.
Suspended user should be able to see that their status is set to banned when they login and not just the notification, and you should be able to add a reason for the ban that only the user sees when they recieve it